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Students debate whether allowing concealed weapons would make campus safer

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By Jonathan Specht

Pearl High, Columbine High, Red Lake High: When today’s college students were in middle school and high school, these and other names came to signify tragic shootings at high schools. After seeming to decline for a few years in the 2000s, the school massacre came back into the news with a vengeance in 2007, this time at a major university, Virginia Tech.

Since the start of the young new year, two colleges, Northern Illinois University and Baton Rouge’s own Louisiana Technical College, have experienced shootings that were similar, albeit on a smaller scale.

In light of these recent shootings, many at LSU are asking how Louisiana State University can be kept off the sad roster of names that have come to signify tragedy in the national psyche, or, if such a shooting occurs, how its number of casualties can be kept as low as possible.

One group, Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, proposes that the answer is that those who have been licensed should be allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus. JP Gwaltney, head of LSU’s chapter of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, outlined the position of the group.

“Students for Concealed Carry on Campus feels that law-abiding citizens who have gone through the rigorous qualifications to obtain a Concealed Carry Permit, and carry most other places they go every day, should be able to carry on college campuses.”

Under Louisiana Revised Statute 14:95.2, no firearm may be carried by a student or non-student in a firearm free zone, which is defined as the area within 1,000 feet of school property, including that of college campuses, or on a school bus.

The state law does not apply to weapons carried in accordance with a legally issued concealed handgun permit. The individual policy of Louisiana State University, however, is that “The use or possession of firearms or other weapons by students, employees or visitors while on campus is prohibited,” including by those with a concealed handgun permit.

Regulations regarding the legality of concealed weapons on college campuses vary across the United States. In the state of Utah, a state law requires that universities allow the carrying of permitted concealed weapons. A bill that would allow students to carry concealed weapons on campus was recently debated in the South Dakota state legislature, and a similar provision is currently being debated by the state legislature of Oklahoma.

Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, which claims at least 18,000 members nationwide, will be holding a national protest on the week of April 21-25, the anniversary of the shooting at Virginia Tech, in which supporters will wear empty holsters to class to signify their inability to legally carry their concealed weapons on campus.

Students interviewed for this article had mixed feelings about the idea of allowing concealed weapons on campus, with some supportive and some opposed to the idea.

“I feel like concealed weapons should not be allowed on campus,” said political science sophomore Quentin Manuel, who said he has taken a course in marksmanship.

“The last thing I want is for a terrible situation to come up and to have some testosterone-fueled would-be hero trying to make snap judgments identifying a threat and taking a positive course of action with little or no training under his belt," said Manuel.

“East Baton Rouge Parish made us wear uniforms so that we could concentrate in class. Imagine trying to concentrate in class when the guy next to you has a Glock under his jacket,” said political science senior David Buco. “What are we, the Wild West? Has the NRA overrun our schools?”

“I don't think carrying a Glock or nine millimeter around campus would be very conducive to higher-level learning,” said business administration senior Kris Khalil. “I understand that with the recent crime on LSU's campus, some people would feel better holding onto their own handgun, but for me, I feel better in a gun-free zone than a gun-OK zone.”

“I believe that in the wake of the recent shootings at Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University, universities nationwide should ban all weapons on their campuses, as well as attempt to do a better job in screening for weapons, at least at large events such as football and basketball games,” continued Khalil.

But some students disagree that such bans are effective. In the words of finance junior Will Hardee, “If someone is insane enough to want to go on a rampage with a gun, then I think it's safe to assume that breaking the gun policy is not going to stop them.”

“It's illegal to shoot and kill someone, too. They obviously aren't going to be deterred by another law that says it's illegal to carry a gun on campus,” continued Hardee.

“I personally never have felt, or will feel the need to carry a gun to class, but I feel safer knowing that trained, licensed and mentally stable persons are able to defend themselves and their classmates in the case of an attack,” concluded Hardee.

William Dulaney, chemical engineering junior, pointed out that it is not easy to obtain a concealed weapons permit in the first place. In Louisiana, to obtain such a permit, one must have a clean criminal record, have no history of mental illness or violence, must not be a user of illegal drugs, and must complete a firearms training course.

“Concealed Handgun Permit holders are law-abiding citizens that have displayed good judgment over the course of their lives,” said Dulaney. “Citizens with a CHP carry in almost every other location, and a college campus should be no different.”

“Concealed Carry Permit holders are not vigilantes. We do not want to chase down bad guys; we are only interested in protecting our own lives,” said JP Gwaltney, head of LSU’s chapter of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus.

“We do not undermine the service law enforcement provides. It is clear, however, that in all the past year's school shootings, no matter how fast the police reacted, the attacks were over before law enforcement could arrive,” concluded Gwaltney.

Representatives of Louisiana State University did not return requests for comment on the issue of changing its firearms policy.

Whatever one’s views on the issue, and whatever course of action the University takes or does not take on the issue, we can all hope that LSU never has to find out what would happen when a college shooting happens on a campus that allows concealed handguns.

 

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Originally Published: Issue 599 - March 5, 2008

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  1. April 21-25 is not the anniversary of the shooting at my school (VT) - the anniversary is April 16, and we (SCCC) intentionally avoided that day -- unlike other anti-gun organizations.

    Ken S. | 2008-03-05 - 05:24:46 PM (CDT)
  2. It is encouraging to see people waking up to the absurdities of mandated defenselessness. However, in the process of realizing the dangers not being able to defend yourself from the wolves, also remember the purpose of the 2nd Amendment and the OTHER wolves it was put in place to defend against.

    It is wrong to demand only \"authorized\" or \"permitted\" citizens be able to exercise what is a God-given right -the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. How far will you allow the \"..must have a clean criminal record, have no history of mental illness or violence, must not be a user of illegal drugs, and must complete a firearms training course..\" type of thinking to reach? Because if you keep defending it, someday it will reach over all aspects of keeping and bearing arms. Not just on campus, but everywhere.

    People, have you asked yourself \"Who shall guard the guards?\" Did you ever consider the dangers of allowing the government -the law- to dictate who can and cannot have access to weapons? Or to decide who\’s hands are \"the wrong hands\"?

    All those seemingly innocent and reasonable requirements are not innocent at all. They are very dangerous. It is not the place of the law to demand checks and/or training prior to exercising a right. That will not give you safety, but it will give you tyranny.

    You want an example of freedom? Look at Alaska or look at Vermont. In these states, people carry openly and concealed. No permits, no mandated training, and no background checks. That\’s freedom. Freedom works. And for better or for worse, it is the right thing to do.

    BTW, as you remember the 16th of April, don\’t forget the 19th. It was on that day that America saw Gun-Control\’s true purpose in action, in a little religious community outside of Waco, Texas.

    Sincerley, Brandon Stone
    CD\’A, Idaho

    Brandon Stone | 2008-03-05 - 12:03:37 AM (CDT)
  3. How many would like professors to carry concealed weapons?

    #54 | 2008-03-05 - 12:22:20 AM (CDT)
  4. Thank you for this fair and balanced article. The daily reveille couldn’t handle that task

    mike | 2008-03-05 - 12:25:18 AM (CDT)
  5. ur are about 1000 times more likely to get killed by a drunk driver than by some guy with a gun on campus.

    jw | 2008-03-05 - 12:45:01 AM (CDT)
  6. "The daily reveille couldn’t handle that task"

    No kidding! Their article was practically propaganda. Somehow they only printed statements from 3 students who were opposed to self defense on campus.

    Luke | 2008-03-05 - 01:42:02 AM (CDT)
  7. ------------------------------------------
    “I believe that in the wake of the recent shootings at Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University, universities nationwide should ban all weapons on their campuses, as well as attempt to do a better job in screening for weapons, at least at large events such as football and basketball games,” continued Khalil.
    ------------------------------------------
    So a bunch of murders in a place where there is a certain policy is direct proof that more places need that exact same policy? What interesting "logic."

    Aaron | 2008-03-06 - 02:52:10 AM (CDT)
  8. Hardee is right on target. Some bad people will always have guns. If weapons didn’t exist and we could all sit around smoking herb in a drum circle all day I’d be there. However, short of privacy-invading metal detector/strip searches and checkpoints everywhere you will never route out weapons entirely.

    Let’s take a reasonable approach to this and expand the territory of those who are trained to carry their personal weapons for self-defense.

    This not only has the potential to neutralize an attack (such as at VT) but the deterrent potential may make lunatics who think guns make them invincible think twice about going on a killing spree.

    Erin Einstein | 2008-03-06 - 04:38:11 AM (CDT)
  9. I think if you have the permit then you should be allowed to carry it on campus. For more information on concealed firearm permits visit http://www.usacarry.com

    LukeM | 2008-03-06 - 10:08:53 AM (CDT)
  10. \Hold on a sec while I \copy and paste\ my organization’s pre-cooked argument ....

    ... theeere we go. Another comment board pwned with no effort on my part. Don’t worry about fixing those backslashes.

    Jeff | 2008-03-06 - 11:14:24 AM (CDT)
  11. If you care about this issue, please sign our petition to allow Concealed Carry at LSU:

    lemonparty.org

    Student for concealed carry | 2008-03-06 - 11:22:10 AM (CDT)
  12. That’s not the URL to the petition.

    The real URL is www.meatspin.com

    get it right | 2008-03-06 - 11:55:38 AM (CDT)
  13. Sorry, I did make an error with the date of the Virginia Tech shooting. I hope this doesn’t significantly detract from the overall quality of the article.

    Jonathan Specht | 2008-03-06 - 10:58:39 PM (CDT)
  14. I don’t think it does, but that’s just my opinion

    OMG look | 2008-03-06 - 12:01:42 AM (CDT)
  15. Check the national news. Yesterday, a gunman walked into a seminary school room in Jerusalem with 80+ defenseless students and started shooting. He only killed 8 before a religious studies student shot him in the head using his concealed weapon. How many more people do you think he would have killed if it wasn’t for him? Granted, Jerusalem is at a slightly different stability level politically...

    Will H | 2008-03-06 - 01:35:21 AM (CDT)
  16. Just as an FYI, the quoted statute, RS 14:95.2 also includes an exemption to the prohibiton for school officials and employees. So, the supposed University statement that possession is prohibited for employees is false. Read it for yourself in the statutes.

    Mike C | 2008-03-07 - 06:16:46 PM (CDT)
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